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we saw it with afghanistan. and iraq in terms of the timetable. when are we getting out. we saw it in the compromises on the bush tax cuts. we have seen this pattern in which democrats are put in the position to having to be the adults in the conversation, and trying to hold things together, and now we are back at that point. if you look at that pattern of concession and then compromise to the middle, and the democrats having to bear the burden politically for those decisions, it might be a trial balloon, but there is a pattern that indicates that social security and medicare are on the table. and that is why we reacted the way we did. this shouldn't be on the table. we have reached a no mass point here. that democrats should never support this. we have to be solid and independent, regardless of what those negotiations with the administration produce. >> in terms of what you described there as bearing the political burden here, that is one of the strategic questions that i have. and this may be clearer to you from washington than i can see it from here. but it seems to me
we saw it with afghanistan. and iraq in terms of the timetable. when are we getting out. we saw it in the compromises on the bush tax cuts. we have seen this pattern in which democrats are put in the position to having to be the adults in the conversation, and trying to hold things together, and now we are back at that point. if you look at that pattern of concession and then compromise to the middle, and the democrats having to bear the burden politically for those decisions, it might be a...
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we have an iraq war, which is still there, an afghanistan war that has been beefed up, what's good tweeter, twitter, tweeting. >> not just that, chris, but a lot of the appeal about president obama in 2008 was he was new and fresh and gave a chance to americans to write history. that happened. how do you make history twice, the answer is you don't. he has to find a way to fire up the base once again. ultimately, his message if the economy doesn't improve is the other guys will make it worse. look at their policies and views. >> john, you're key. i want to end it with that note. it's brilliant. it's about the next four years, it's not the blame game. who do you have confidence in to lead the country out of the situation we are now. thank you so much jonathan and alex wagner for tutoring me rather crudely. let me finish with -- we're going to have a birthday tribute to nancy reagan for the reasons she was a moderating force on that man next to her. you're watching "hardball." >>> let me finish with a birthday tribute to an american who made a difference. her name is nancy reagan. she was our
we have an iraq war, which is still there, an afghanistan war that has been beefed up, what's good tweeter, twitter, tweeting. >> not just that, chris, but a lot of the appeal about president obama in 2008 was he was new and fresh and gave a chance to americans to write history. that happened. how do you make history twice, the answer is you don't. he has to find a way to fire up the base once again. ultimately, his message if the economy doesn't improve is the other guys will make it...
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talk about afghanistan. the thing that confused or upset me, a lot of people with questions about afghanistan, even after the phased withdrawal, he'll end his presidency with substantially more troop there's than when we went in and it's very hard to see people on any side who can really define what success looks like. i know you've reported extensively on this for your books and "the post" and what do you make of it at this point? >> it's very -- if you step back, it's very unusual what the president's done here. he said we're going to start withdrawing before the end of the war. and if you get military leaders on sodium pen thal truth sear yum and say, ho do you really feel like this, they say, we'll go along because he's the commander in chief. they are dumbfounded that we had a strategy, and an objective, namely, counterinsurgency. protect the people, nation-bidding in nation-bi nation-building in afghanistan. we've gone to a strategy, really, let's get out. so maybe it's going to work, but it could back
talk about afghanistan. the thing that confused or upset me, a lot of people with questions about afghanistan, even after the phased withdrawal, he'll end his presidency with substantially more troop there's than when we went in and it's very hard to see people on any side who can really define what success looks like. i know you've reported extensively on this for your books and "the post" and what do you make of it at this point? >> it's very -- if you step back, it's very...
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i've been doing afghanistan and bin laden and -- the greek crisis. >> he has a point, if you go by the number of bills passed. through the first hall of this year, 2011, how many bills become law? 18. 15 of those laws named a building after somebody, extended an expiring law or appointed an official to the smithsonian institute. counting all them, 18 laws, this year's not so big number. >>> up next, kansas is inching closer to an all-out ban on abortion. the state approve as new set of regulations critics say is aimed at shutting down all abortion clinics. all three of them in the state. we're hear from both sides. >>> you're watching "hardball" on msnbc. i made. when i got my medicare card, i realized i needed an aarp... medicare supplement insurance card, too. medicare is one of the great things about turning 65, but it doesn't cover everything. in fact, it only pays up to 80% of your part b expenses. if you're already on or eligible for medicare, call now to find out how an aarp... medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company, helps cover some of
i've been doing afghanistan and bin laden and -- the greek crisis. >> he has a point, if you go by the number of bills passed. through the first hall of this year, 2011, how many bills become law? 18. 15 of those laws named a building after somebody, extended an expiring law or appointed an official to the smithsonian institute. counting all them, 18 laws, this year's not so big number. >>> up next, kansas is inching closer to an all-out ban on abortion. the state approve as new...
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many of us who voted for it who were against the iraq war, were against credit card funding of the afghanistan war, we're against what congress voted for, americans voted for it and we have to pay our bills. >> congressional members said they met with the president a month ago and they asked him, are you going to throw us under the bus? and they're telling me tonight they were thrown under the bus. do you feel that way? >> you know what, what i'm hoping is this. when the president is talking about medicare and social security, it's about making medicare and social security strong, survivable and sustainable. and when president reagan and speaker o'neal, democrat and republican, joined hands on social security, it was about making it stronger. it wasn't about raiding social security to cover tax cuts for the rich. so that's the real question. there is enormous anxiety. >> why are we even talking about this when you've got 80% of the american people who don't want to go down this road? >> there are two interpretations. number one, we shouldn't be doing it, because medicare should be discussed on
many of us who voted for it who were against the iraq war, were against credit card funding of the afghanistan war, we're against what congress voted for, americans voted for it and we have to pay our bills. >> congressional members said they met with the president a month ago and they asked him, are you going to throw us under the bus? and they're telling me tonight they were thrown under the bus. do you feel that way? >> you know what, what i'm hoping is this. when the president...
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. >> listen, i can tell you what is going on in afghanistan, and iraq and pine valley. >> this makes a well-rounded human being. >> and speaking of well-rounded human being. keenan cahill, you remember the internet sensation who lip synced with the likes of 50 cent and katy perry? well, he has a new video out and this time with the "glee" stars. take a look at this guy. ♪ it is a blacked out blur ♪ but i'm pretty sure ♪ it rules ♪ last friday night ♪ you will be dancing to the ♪ drums >> you are looking at some new cast regulars there on who joined cahill during a "glee" arena, and if you are wondering how this whole thing came together, he was as i did some research the 27th most subscribed youtube channel on youtube, and so he has a following and he is pitching a tv show. >> but he looks like an entertaining character, but he has a huge following on youtube. and 29 best rated channels. >> yes. and one thing i love about him is he has no shame. half of the time, he doesn't know all of the with words to the song he is lip syncing to, but he is fun to watch. >> yes, he is
. >> listen, i can tell you what is going on in afghanistan, and iraq and pine valley. >> this makes a well-rounded human being. >> and speaking of well-rounded human being. keenan cahill, you remember the internet sensation who lip synced with the likes of 50 cent and katy perry? well, he has a new video out and this time with the "glee" stars. take a look at this guy. ♪ it is a blacked out blur ♪ but i'm pretty sure ♪ it rules ♪ last friday night ♪ you...
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afghanistan is a distraction. one thing about afghanistan, when you had the attacks on the hotel, it went back to vietnam. it's a reminder the people we are working with in afghanistan, given what they get out of pakistan, they will not be able to turn the corner. we continue to invest enormously there. >> howard dean? >> afghanistan, because of the leadership there, no matter what we do, it doesn't matter. karzai is hopeless. i'm more optimistic. if you look at it over many, many years, tunisia is a bright star. egypt is not going to be a democracy in the way we know it. yemen is a huge problem. libya, who knows. i think there's progress that's been made here. i agree there's a lot of countries not making progress. syria, who knows what's going to happen. there will be real gains. >> i kind of agree with governor dean. in yemen, if we have what you describe, the potential for ungovernable state, it will become a petri dish of groups. they may be highly dysfunctional, but not failed. how does the u.s. not send som
afghanistan is a distraction. one thing about afghanistan, when you had the attacks on the hotel, it went back to vietnam. it's a reminder the people we are working with in afghanistan, given what they get out of pakistan, they will not be able to turn the corner. we continue to invest enormously there. >> howard dean? >> afghanistan, because of the leadership there, no matter what we do, it doesn't matter. karzai is hopeless. i'm more optimistic. if you look at it over many, many...
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it would have negative effects on jobs in baghdad, kabul, kandahar, in other parts of the iraq and afghanistan. and the irony of course is that we are being told that we are in this terrible crisis, when the republicans brought out a military bill that increased the military by $17 billion, gives more money to iraq and afghanistan, and i have to say i am very nervous that the president might agree to keep troops in iraq next year, which is longer than george bush wanted to keep them there. so, yeah, i think we can in the short-term save a lot of money by bringing the troops home with no negative job impact. but to get back to your question, what mr. bernanke said correctly is, yes, over the long-term, you should have a plan for deficit reduction from both higher taxes in my judgment and spending cuts. but in the short-term, if you were to do that, you would slow down the recovery. and that's why it's a timing issue. >> in terms of what you just said there about defense cuts, and what might be possible in this congress, i feel like the things that i have heard from republicans that seem like th
it would have negative effects on jobs in baghdad, kabul, kandahar, in other parts of the iraq and afghanistan. and the irony of course is that we are being told that we are in this terrible crisis, when the republicans brought out a military bill that increased the military by $17 billion, gives more money to iraq and afghanistan, and i have to say i am very nervous that the president might agree to keep troops in iraq next year, which is longer than george bush wanted to keep them there. so,...
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. >> susan page, remember the comment about afghanistan during the debate. it feels like it's almost as if we're going to find out, well, he misspoke. well, that's -- you know, right now, this is not hurting him too much but over time, this could accumulate. >> going right to a core vulnerability for mitt romney. all the flip-flops we saw last time around on social issue. he cannot afford to be someone as changing positions. if michele bachmann said something -- >> susan page, eugene robinson, richard wolff. we're coming back. you get to say something right after the break. i promise. >>> this is "hardball." two segment analysts. only on msnbc. part of life. mayhem doesn't announce itself. it doesn't call ahead. mayhem doesn't care if you're on vacation or just remodeled your kitchen or just said "i do." and though mayhem may be a part of life, with an allstate agent, you don't have to live through it alone. are you in good hands? you don't have to live through it alone. a lot of peo and those people are what i like to call wrong. take metamucil. sure it hel
. >> susan page, remember the comment about afghanistan during the debate. it feels like it's almost as if we're going to find out, well, he misspoke. well, that's -- you know, right now, this is not hurting him too much but over time, this could accumulate. >> going right to a core vulnerability for mitt romney. all the flip-flops we saw last time around on social issue. he cannot afford to be someone as changing positions. if michele bachmann said something -- >> susan page,...
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>> afghanistan. >> oh, afghanistan. i think we are trying to disengage. that is a sensible policy. i don't think we should proclaim to stay there and win and create a modern afghanistan, i think that has been abandoned. >> i don't think we should pack our bags and just leave. the president is striving at a departure. reinforced by an international umbrella that is yet to be shaped, a kind of regional consensus and in effect, create a situation with the problem of afghanistan, which is also the problem of pakistan, becomes a regional problem in which the country's in the region have a stake in solving and are not -- there's a reasonable chance that can be pulled off. >> dr. brzezinski, you mentioned pakistan. the focus of policy leaders. turning away from afghanistan, we got reports the journalist who was killed by the isi inside pakistan further out is complicating our relationship with that group. we announced going in to kill osama bin laden. how do we manage this relationship that's been difficult to manage for as far as the eye can see? >> well, first of all, we have to recogni
>> afghanistan. >> oh, afghanistan. i think we are trying to disengage. that is a sensible policy. i don't think we should proclaim to stay there and win and create a modern afghanistan, i think that has been abandoned. >> i don't think we should pack our bags and just leave. the president is striving at a departure. reinforced by an international umbrella that is yet to be shaped, a kind of regional consensus and in effect, create a situation with the problem of afghanistan,...
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that's a pretty nice example for afghanistan if you want to look somewhere. maybe ukraine. >> i like ukraine. >> this is nice. bring a chair. introduce some furniture into the brawl. that works, too. georgia. how about georgia. the country of georgia. that's actually a city council meeting getting very aggressive. and then south korea always treats us to nice parliamentary brawls. >> i like that. holding on to the podium. okay. thank you. >>> ezra, what did you learn? >> republicans, not huge fans of taxes. eric cantor, doesn't love revenue. >> just learned that today? >> learned a couple of things. >> larry david does not like eric cantor. >> and he's not coming back. >> he's coming back when joe is here. >> oh, good. >> and life begins anew sunday evening because "curb your enthusiasm" returns to the air waves sunday on hbo. >> i love it. >> i actually learned something else. ezra klein today and tomorrow, 3:00, hosting on msnbc for the full hour. that's appointment tv. >> you have to watch. >> it's not going to be as funny as larry david. >> just follow th
that's a pretty nice example for afghanistan if you want to look somewhere. maybe ukraine. >> i like ukraine. >> this is nice. bring a chair. introduce some furniture into the brawl. that works, too. georgia. how about georgia. the country of georgia. that's actually a city council meeting getting very aggressive. and then south korea always treats us to nice parliamentary brawls. >> i like that. holding on to the podium. okay. thank you. >>> ezra, what did you learn?...
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. >> susan page, remember the comment about afghanistan during the debate. it feels like it's almost as if we're going to find out, well, he misspoke. well, that's -- you know, right now, this is not hurting him too much but over time, this could accumulate. >> going right to a core vulnerability for mitt romney. all the flip-flops we saw last time around on social issue. he cannot afford to be someone as changing positions. if michele bachmann said something -- >> susan page, eugene robinson, richard wolff. we're coming back. you get to say something right after the break. i promise. >>> this is "hardball." two segment analysts. only on msnbc. okies goodbye. new newtons fruit thins. real blueberries and blueberry brown sugar... crispy whole grain. newtons fruit thins, one unique cookie. challenge that with olay regenerist night elixir. its gentle glycolic formula resurfaces at night for the smooth skin of a light chemical peel. sleep tight. regenerist, from olay. >>> the republican presidential field is adding yet another candidate. five-term michigan congr
. >> susan page, remember the comment about afghanistan during the debate. it feels like it's almost as if we're going to find out, well, he misspoke. well, that's -- you know, right now, this is not hurting him too much but over time, this could accumulate. >> going right to a core vulnerability for mitt romney. all the flip-flops we saw last time around on social issue. he cannot afford to be someone as changing positions. if michele bachmann said something -- >> susan page,...
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the relatives of soldiers slain in iraq and afghanistan also allegedly hacked. that's the thing about this story. it's one thing to say that celebrities and athletes and politicians' numbers were hacked. they are not particularly sympathetic figures for the general public. but when you talk about members of the general public, just people, just victims, people grieving over the recent knowledge that a loved one has been killed, that's something that everybody on all sides of the aisle have called appalling and deplorable and unacceptable. the statement by james murdoch today, i just had a chance to read it through. it's a long, perhaps 1500 word statement. in it, he says the good things that the "news of the world" does, this is the largest english language circulation paper in the world, the seventh biggest in terms of circulation newspaper in the world, but he says the good things that the paper does have been sullied by behavior that was wrong. indeed, he writes in recent allegations are true, that behavior was inhuman and has no place in our company. the "ne
the relatives of soldiers slain in iraq and afghanistan also allegedly hacked. that's the thing about this story. it's one thing to say that celebrities and athletes and politicians' numbers were hacked. they are not particularly sympathetic figures for the general public. but when you talk about members of the general public, just people, just victims, people grieving over the recent knowledge that a loved one has been killed, that's something that everybody on all sides of the aisle have...
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past couple of years, the president has given on major issues and promises from gitmo to the war in afghanistan. he's given on taxes. he mised a huge opportunity in my opinion there. why can't the republicans just open their minds a little bit, give a little bit. go back on a commitment to make something happen. >> obama is wrong. >> he's not wrong. >> he had a $780 billion stimulus. the $700 billion tarp, three deficits for $1.5 trillion. we have the fete pumping in $600 billion. it hasn't worked. and so it hasn't -- if it hasn't worked, cohen calls this a cult. the cult won 63 seats. six months ago. what happened to his party. >> thankfully we didn't listen to republicans on the carr industry without the investment the american people made, we would have lost gm, chrysler, ford, and lost our ability on the global stage too. thank god we ignored the republicans when it came to saving the financial system without it. it was the right thing to do for them to pay them back. but what i want to know, ray torically, is where was the team party when bush ran the debt up. they were absent. this isn't
past couple of years, the president has given on major issues and promises from gitmo to the war in afghanistan. he's given on taxes. he mised a huge opportunity in my opinion there. why can't the republicans just open their minds a little bit, give a little bit. go back on a commitment to make something happen. >> obama is wrong. >> he's not wrong. >> he had a $780 billion stimulus. the $700 billion tarp, three deficits for $1.5 trillion. we have the fete pumping in $600...